You would be the one to know.
I find it interesting that you don’t ever see anyone protesting the horrible gender inequality you find among construction workers, sanitation engineers, welders, or miners.
Why is that?
There are women in those fields and they do have problems from people trying to keep them out.
But the need is so strong, those who don’t want them have had to take a bit of a back seat. Not as much as they should, but they’re not as influential as they once were.
As someone who has worked construction off-and-on for 30 years, they aren’t denied. They don’t apply for those jobs. When they do, well, they get treated just like the guys do, poorly with tonnes of sexual jokes. Some fit in and roll with it and gain respect, some quit.
But it’s few and far between who do apply, and usually they’re the type to punch some jerk right in his chops if he crosses the wrong line.
I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek here. The fact is, while you will find many women’s rights groups advocating, quite correctly, for equal inclusion in the tech sector, medical fields, and other white-collar professions, those same groups are “mysteriously” absent when it comes to THEM advocating for inclusion in traditional blue-collar professions.
I spent over a decade teaching in a vocational school. I know that there are women who want to work construction, become welders, etc. Just as there are males who want to become nurses, or early childhood teachers.
I was just taking the opportunity to poke fun at the hypocrisy shown by organizations. Maybe not hypocrisy, but rather “tunnel vision”. If there is a fundamental need for equal representation in the workforce, then ALL professions should be included, and sadly, they are not. And the reason is, aside from some outliers, women in general do NOT want equal representation in ALL professions.
And, just to keep this in mind, I hold this opinion while ALSO doing every single thing I could to increase female enrollment in my Computer Programming class, and to encourage female and minority students’ interest in an IT career. So, I believe in it. I just also love to poke fun at cognitive dissonance.
You know, I’m not sure why you are ignoring what I was actually trying to say in favor of reiterating the fact of male-gatekeeping. I HEARTILY agree with you, and have said nothing to indicate otherwise. YES. Females face discrimination when trying to break into male-dominated jobs.
But my comments have not been about that at all. If you think they have, then I have obviously used the wrtong words. So, I’m sorry about that.|
Here’s the crux of it: If you can find a tiktok or youtube clip where one of the Talking Heads for women’s rights is denouncing the deplorable lack of female representation in the Sanitation, mining, etc. industries, I’ll Paypal you $50.
Advocating for equal representation for only some industries and not others is effectively advocating for preferential treatment. “We want equal representation in THESE industries, but we don’t care about others. The unspoken sentiment is: If women want to work in those, fine, but we’re going to only concentrate on these certain ones.” In efgfect, tacitly approving unequal representation.
That has nothing to do with whether they’ll support individual claims, which of course they will, and should. It’s just hypocritical to advocate for some sectors and ignore others.
[Both] Her.
As in “The Lawyer Lady Drives the Jag”? I thought she drove up in a Subaru.
You would know. I just went for what I found funny.
You would be the one to know.
I find it interesting that you don’t ever see anyone protesting the horrible gender inequality you find among construction workers, sanitation engineers, welders, or miners.
Why is that?
Blue-Collar vs. White-Collar?
Yes, but why are women being excluded from thier rightful places of equality in these jobs? Isn’t that the point? To stop gender discrimination?
Dude, I ain’t got no answers. I’m just making fun of stuff I know enough about to make fun of, most of it from personal experience.
There are women in those fields and they do have problems from people trying to keep them out.
But the need is so strong, those who don’t want them have had to take a bit of a back seat. Not as much as they should, but they’re not as influential as they once were.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Women+in+the+Trades
As someone who has worked construction off-and-on for 30 years, they aren’t denied. They don’t apply for those jobs. When they do, well, they get treated just like the guys do, poorly with tonnes of sexual jokes. Some fit in and roll with it and gain respect, some quit.
But it’s few and far between who do apply, and usually they’re the type to punch some jerk right in his chops if he crosses the wrong line.
I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek here. The fact is, while you will find many women’s rights groups advocating, quite correctly, for equal inclusion in the tech sector, medical fields, and other white-collar professions, those same groups are “mysteriously” absent when it comes to THEM advocating for inclusion in traditional blue-collar professions.
I spent over a decade teaching in a vocational school. I know that there are women who want to work construction, become welders, etc. Just as there are males who want to become nurses, or early childhood teachers.
I was just taking the opportunity to poke fun at the hypocrisy shown by organizations. Maybe not hypocrisy, but rather “tunnel vision”. If there is a fundamental need for equal representation in the workforce, then ALL professions should be included, and sadly, they are not. And the reason is, aside from some outliers, women in general do NOT want equal representation in ALL professions.
And, just to keep this in mind, I hold this opinion while ALSO doing every single thing I could to increase female enrollment in my Computer Programming class, and to encourage female and minority students’ interest in an IT career. So, I believe in it. I just also love to poke fun at cognitive dissonance.
If I remember correctly, the very first successful sex-based workplace discrimination case regarded a woman working in a mine. Or trying to.
You know, I’m not sure why you are ignoring what I was actually trying to say in favor of reiterating the fact of male-gatekeeping. I HEARTILY agree with you, and have said nothing to indicate otherwise. YES. Females face discrimination when trying to break into male-dominated jobs.
But my comments have not been about that at all. If you think they have, then I have obviously used the wrtong words. So, I’m sorry about that.|
Here’s the crux of it: If you can find a tiktok or youtube clip where one of the Talking Heads for women’s rights is denouncing the deplorable lack of female representation in the Sanitation, mining, etc. industries, I’ll Paypal you $50.
Advocating for equal representation for only some industries and not others is effectively advocating for preferential treatment. “We want equal representation in THESE industries, but we don’t care about others. The unspoken sentiment is: If women want to work in those, fine, but we’re going to only concentrate on these certain ones.” In efgfect, tacitly approving unequal representation.
That has nothing to do with whether they’ll support individual claims, which of course they will, and should. It’s just hypocritical to advocate for some sectors and ignore others.